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Douglas Adams wouldâ(TM)ve hated Musk.
Doubtful. Do you have evidence of this?
Doubtful. Do you have evidence of this?
There are hints. HHGTTG literally starts with Earth being destroyed by a callous race of mega-wealthy douchebags who love to stomp on anyone in their way.
Hell, the Vogons loved bad poetry, while Elon tweeted this:
And Adams basically described Elon in this quote: “And for all the richest and most successful merchants life inevitably became rather dull and niggly, and they began to imagine that this was therefore the fault of the worlds they’d settled on.”
So although no one can be sure, it seems highly likely that Adams would have hated Elon.
ESPECIALLY since the guy doesn’t even realize that “Grok” was a word coined by Heinlein in “Stranger in a Strange Land”, not anything Adams wrote. (Kind of like saying “Live long and prosper, Luke!”). Heinlein would have absolutely loved Elon.
While I loved and largely agreed with your post, I think you made a mistake with the final sentence:
> Heinlein would have absolutely loved Elon.
Have you read Stranger in a Strange Land? It’s like an anti-Musk manifesto. The closest character to Musk in it is either the religious figures or Jubal Harshaw. From the outside, Harshaw might look like Musk (as a rich playboy type)
At the book’s end Harsha
Stranger in a Strange Land was intended as a satire of counterculture.
Stranger in a Strange Land was intended as a satire of counterculture.
Source? I’ve read the book twice and never saw that, nor can I find any mention on Wikipedia of it. Perhaps you’re confusing it with Heinlin’s Starship Troopers?
Musk was Heinlein’s kinda guy.
Musk was Heinlein’s kinda guy.
Again, no. Here’s what Wikipedia has to say about what both:
Heinlein used his science fiction as a way to explore provocative social and political ideas and to speculate how progress in science and engineering might shape the future of politics, race, religion, and sex.[12] Within the framework of his science-fiction stories, Heinlein repeatedly addressed certain social themes: the importance of individual liberty and self-reliance, the nature of sexual relationships, the obligation individuals owe to their societies, the influence of organized religion on culture and government, and the tendency of society to repress nonconformist thought. He also speculated on the influence of space travel on human cultural practices.
Heinlein used his science fiction as a way to explore provocative social and political ideas and to speculate how progress in science and engineering might shape the future of politics, race, religion, and sex.[12] Within the framework of his science-fiction stories, Heinlein repeatedly addressed certain social themes: the importance of individual liberty and self-reliance, the nature of sexual relationships, the obligation individuals owe to their societies, the influence of organized religion on culture and government, and the tendency of society to repress nonconformist thought. He also speculated on the influence of space travel on human cultural practices.
vs.
Elon Musk, the CEO or owner of multiple companies including Tesla, SpaceX, and X Corp, has expressed many views on a wide variety of subjects, ranging from politics to science.
Musk has expressed concern about issues such as artificial intelligence (AI), climate change and population decline. He has also criticized COVID-19 lockdowns, public transportation, and labor unions.[13] He has promoted conspiracy theories, and made controversial statements that have led to accusations of antisemitism and transphobia.[14][15] His views on international relations, including on the China-Taiwan and Russia-Ukraine conflicts, have received mixed reactions.
Elon Musk, the CEO or owner of multiple companies including Tesla, SpaceX, and X Corp, has expressed many views on a wide variety of subjects, ranging from politics to science.
Musk has expressed concern about issues such as artificial intelligence (AI), climate change and population decline. He has also criticized COVID-19 lockdowns, public transportation, and labor unions.[13] He has promoted conspiracy theories, and made controversial statements that have led to accusations of antisemitism and transphobia.[14][15] His views on international relations, including on the China-Taiwan and Russia-Ukraine conflicts, have received mixed reactions.
They both focus on liberty, “the future of tech, space travel in particular” and both are provocateurs
The point is, while they certain
You seem to simplify two very complexe individuals based on very little.
What you did get right, IMHO, is that they both focus heavily on liberty.
Things Heinlein has said:
“Ayn Rand is a bloody socialist compared to me,”
“I’m so much a libertarian that I have no use for the whole libertarian movement.”
His ideas different on the economy and the free market though: “The justification for free enterprise is not that it’s more efficient, but that it’s free.”
Heinlein saw his work as “an invitation to think-not to b
To be fair, it is possible and arguably common to be a fan of both Heinlein’s and Douglas Adams’ work. It’s even possible to enjoy them and consider their works important as cultural references without reading them as political manifestos.
“grok” is a very commonly used slang term among software nerds of Musk’s generation.
The origin of the term, and whether Musk is aware of it, is irrelevant here.
But you’d have to be a particularly hateful idiot to imagine that Elon is unaware of the origin. He was the sort of kid who devoured every science fiction book in the school library.
Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can’t help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal and execution is carried out automatically and without pity.
Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can’t help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal and execution is carried out automatically and without pity.
… from the notebooks of Lazarus Long, from Robert Heinlein’s “Time Enough for Love”
But you’d have to be a particularly hateful idiot to imagine that Elon is unaware of the origin. He was the sort of kid who devoured every science fiction book in the school library.
But you’d have to be a particularly hateful idiot to imagine that Elon is unaware of the origin. He was the sort of kid who devoured every science fiction book in the school library.
Considering that Musk thought that Bladerunner was the name of the main character in Blade Runner [twitter.com], you clearly don’t know wtf you’re talking about.
Could be a typo, missing an “a” in front of blade runner.
But Musk definately knows where Grok comes from : https://twitter.com/elonmusk/s… [twitter.com]
That’s not the kind of kid Musk was.
That’s the kind of kid Musk and his PR team want you to believe he was.
Musk was the kind of kid that shoved firecrackers up cat’s asses.
Musk was the kind of kid that shoved firecrackers up cat’s asses.
Musk was the kind of kid that shoved firecrackers up cat’s asses.
As hyperbolic as that sounds, I’m more likely to believe this than that Musk read a lot of sci-fi as a kid. His improbably optimistic timelines strike me as a sci-fi TV fan. I’ll bet he’s a closet Trekker. Probably fanbois out to the original Battlestar Galactica too.
“”grok” is a very commonly used slang term among software nerds of Musk’s generation.”
Not really, it was a slang term for a very limited period of time in the late 80’s, back when Musk was in high school, and with ‘Musk’s generation’ being Gen X, you mean Gen X software nerds. But why waste an opportunity to suggest that Musk is a programmer that used this term because he was an elite coder, right?
ESPECIALLY since the guy doesn’t even realize that “Grok” was a word coined by Heinlein in “Stranger in a Strange Land”
Which leads to another question- how long before Musk tries to claim sole ownership of the word “grok”, even though the word existed before Musk was even born? Kind of like how Fuckerberg thinks he outright owns the word “book”.
“Live long and prosper, Luke!”
“Live long and prosper, Luke!”
Oh, I’ve gotta get a shirt with that on it made!
Only if I can get “Live long and prosper Darth!” written on the back of it…
Only if I can get “Live long and prosper Darth!” written on the back of it…
Live long and prosper, Luke — on the front
Party on, Darth — on the back.
*CHEFS KISS*
That 2005 film wasn’t great, but it had its moments.
Personally doubt that Douglas Adams was the kind of shallow tendentious person who would have seen Twitter as a sort of left wing sacred space, thus he would not likely have been permanently offended/enraged by Musk letting everyone talk.
Douglas Adams attacked sacred cows on both the left and right, no matter where they were. Don’t try to gaslight him into some sort of dogmatic creed follower. Frankly, he’d probably have been mortified at the sorry sort of people who let Twitter feed their ideology in the
There are hints. HHGTTG literally starts with Earth being destroyed by a callous race of mega-wealthy douchebags who love to stomp on anyone in their way.
There are hints. HHGTTG literally starts with Earth being destroyed by a callous race of mega-wealthy douchebags who love to stomp on anyone in their way.
You have managed to entirely misunderstand the single most obvious parody ever written. The Vogons are a jab at British government workers. The interstellar equivalent to Mr. L Prosser. The Vogons aren’t wealthy, they just work for the government. The power they have comes from government authority, and they delight in using it to inconvenience others. Wealth has nothing to do with it.
Don’t worry. When the apocalypse is coming, Elon will build the Ark ships, and thus be forgiven for his more egregious faux pas.
The haters will have priority tickets to the B ship.
One could also probably take a fair stab at guessing how DNA would have felt about Musk by looking at how Neil Gaiman seems to – Douglas was Neil’s literary idol, and there’s a great deal of similarity between the perspectives and attitudes of the two
Neil doesn’t seem fond of Musk. lol.
Anti-democratic political movements?
Please elaborate.
Grok, the company said, is modeled on “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.”
Grok, the company said, is modeled on “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.”
Noting that Heinlein [wikipedia.org] coined the term Grok [wikipedia.org] in his novel Stranger in s Strange Land [wikipedia.org] about 17 years earlier (than the HHGTTG radio series).
Also adding that “grok” is a verb, not a noun.
Its snarkiness is modeled on HHGTTG – it even says so in the summary. TFA also points out the Heinlein connection.
Its snarkiness is modeled on HHGTTG – it even says so in the summary. TFA also points out the Heinlein connection.
Sure, but “grok” doesn’t really have anything to do with being snarky.
Also, unfortunately, I imagine this AI bot from Musk won’t be “mostly harmless”
Sure, but “grok” doesn’t really have anything to do with being snarky.
Do you have a learning disorder? Where does it say anything that “grok” has anything to do with being snarky? Your reading comprehension skills fucking suck, man.
Sure, but “grok” doesn’t really have anything to do with being snarky.
Sure, but “grok” doesn’t really have anything to do with being snarky.
Do you have a learning disorder? Where does it say anything that “grok” has anything to do with being snarky? Your reading comprehension skills fucking suck, man.
Um… it was mentioned in the post to which replied — for those who can follow a thread.
Also, why so hostile? There’s no need for that.
Um… it was mentioned in the post to which replied — for those who can follow a thread.
No it doesn’t; you suck at reading.
Um… it was mentioned in the post to which replied — for those who can follow a thread.
Um… it was mentioned in the post to which replied — for those who can follow a thread.
No it doesn’t; you suck at reading.
I’ll quote the post to which I was responding:
Its snarkiness is modeled on HHGTTG – it even says so in the summary.
Its snarkiness is modeled on HHGTTG – it even says so in the summary.
Noting that “Its” clearly implies the AI bot “Grok”.
The rest of your comment is clearly nonsense.
Um… it was mentioned in the post to which replied — for those who can follow a thread.
No it doesn’t; you suck at reading.
I’ll quote the post to which I was responding:
Its snarkiness is modeled on HHGTTG – it even says so in the summary.
Noting that “Its” clearly implies the AI bot “Grok”.
The rest of your comment is clearly nonsense.
Um… it was mentioned in the post to which replied — for those who can follow a thread.
No it doesn’t; you suck at reading.
Um… it was mentioned in the post to which replied — for those who can follow a thread.
Um… it was mentioned in the post to which replied — for those who can follow a thread.
No it doesn’t; you suck at reading.
I’ll quote the post to which I was responding:
Its snarkiness is modeled on HHGTTG – it even says so in the summary.
Its snarkiness is modeled on HHGTTG – it even says so in the summary.
Noting that “Its” clearly implies the AI bot “Grok”.
The rest of your comment is clearly nonsense.
Yes – it refers to the bot named Grok, but not the name Grok belonging to the bot.
Please don’t use the word “we”. Your delusion as to how the conversation has unfolded is yours and yours alone.
It’s fitting that an announcement about an AI chatbot would get a simple fact confidently and completely wrong.
For the apologists: I can confirm that the word ‘grok’ does not appear anywhere in the HHGTTG book series. Link [jaydixit.com]
It’s fitting that an announcement about an AI chatbot would get a simple fact confidently and completely wrong. For the apologists: I can confirm that the word ‘grok’ does not appear anywhere in the HHGTTG book series.
It’s fitting that an announcement about an AI chatbot would get a simple fact confidently and completely wrong. For the apologists: I can confirm that the word ‘grok’ does not appear anywhere in the HHGTTG book series.
No where in the article does it claim that the work ‘grok’ appears in the HHGTTG book series; the article literally says “Grok is a term coined by Robert A. Heinlein in his 1961 science fiction novel “Stranger in a Strange Land.”
Learn to read. That is CNBC offering that context, given the very confused statement from xAI. Nowhere in the actual announcement is that explained. As the very first line in the announcement claims that Grok is based on HHGTTG, it strongly implies that they believe the terms to be related in some way.
Grok (the ai bot) is modeled on HHGTTGs AI.
Not the WORD Grok, which Musk obviously knows comes from Heinlein : https://twitter.com/elonmusk/s… [twitter.com]
No one ever said the word Grok came from HHGTTG.
So whats your point?
Musk knows very well where the word Grok comes from: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/s… [twitter.com]
The AI BOT is named Grok, it is modeled on the AI in HHGTTG for its snarkiness.
Noting that Heinlein [wikipedia.org] coined the term Grok [wikipedia.org] in his novel Stranger in s Strange Land [wikipedia.org] about 17 years earlier (than the HHGTTG radio series).
Noting that Heinlein [wikipedia.org] coined the term Grok [wikipedia.org] in his novel Stranger in s Strange Land [wikipedia.org] about 17 years earlier (than the HHGTTG radio series).
Nowhere in the article did it state or imply that the name “grok” has anything to do with HHGTTG. In fact, the article made a point to directly state “Grok is a term coined by Robert A. Heinlein in his 1961 science fiction novel “Stranger in a Strange Land.”
Noting that Heinlein [wikipedia.org] coined the term Grok [wikipedia.org] in his novel Stranger in s Strange Land [wikipedia.org] about 17 years earlier (than the HHGTTG radio series).
Nowhere in the article did it state or imply that the name “grok” has anything to do with HHGTTG. In fact, the article made a point to directly state “Grok is a term coined by Robert A. Heinlein in his 1961 science fiction novel “Stranger in a Strange Land.”
Noting that Heinlein [wikipedia.org] coined the term Grok [wikipedia.org] in his novel Stranger in s Strange Land [wikipedia.org] about 17 years earlier (than the HHGTTG radio series).
Noting that Heinlein [wikipedia.org] coined the term Grok [wikipedia.org] in his novel Stranger in s Strange Land [wikipedia.org] about 17 years earlier (than the HHGTTG radio series).
Nowhere in the article did it state or imply that the name “grok” has anything to do with HHGTTG. In fact, the article made a point to directly state “Grok is a term coined by Robert A. Heinlein in his 1961 science fiction novel “Stranger in a Strange Land.”
I thought it was pretty obvious: Then why name it “Grok” and tie/relate it to or reference HHGTTG — if there’s no relation.
Waiting for the eventual logic/paradox crash when Grok doesn’t understand something — ie: doesn’t “grok”.
The Grok name, is about knowing, knowledge, understanding.
The HHGTTG reference is about the modeling of the AIs responses, with a hint of humour and snarkiness.
Anyone who can read properly and doesnt have some sort of hate for Musk got that.
In fact, the article made a point to directly state “Grok is a term coined by Robert A. Heinlein in his 1961 science fiction novel “Stranger in a Strange Land.”
In fact, the article made a point to directly state “Grok is a term coined by Robert A. Heinlein in his 1961 science fiction novel “Stranger in a Strange Land.”
Also informative, noting for those who didn’t read TFA as it wasn’t mentioned in TFS.
Grok is the name
The AI is modeled after THHGTTG.
One does not preclude the other.
Musk knows very well the origin of the word Grok: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/s… [twitter.com]
The world’s first chatbot that does nothing but bitch about Democrats and government regulation.
I thought we have Musk for that?
Did he step down from another job? Lazy bum.
The world’s first chatbot that does nothing but bitch about Democrats and government regulation.
The world’s first chatbot that does nothing but bitch about Democrats and government regulation.
And how Russia is the good guy.
Yeah, I am deeply skeptical about any tool promoted by Musk that supposedly incorporates what he considers “humor”.
As usual, most people overestimate the strategy behind these moves, and underestimate how many resources will be spent, and how many insufficiently obsequious courtiers will be fired, pretending every joke that falls flat is some visionary strategy.
Yeah, I am deeply skeptical about any tool promoted by Musk that supposedly incorporates what he considers “humor”.
Yeah, I am deeply skeptical about any tool promoted by Musk that supposedly incorporates what he considers “humor”.
ITYM:
I am deeply skeptical about any tool promoted by Musk
I am deeply skeptical about any tool promoted by Musk
How long do you think it’ll be before they quickly pull it offline again after it goes into a freefall meltdown? 12 hours? 24?
AI is Musk’s kryptonite. He constantly and consistently vastly over-estimates AI’s capabilities.
Self driving cars. His humanoid robot. AI-brain interface. Twitter bots.
It doesn’t matter how many times he is wrong about AI, he will keep assuming that if he just adds it to every new idea it will magically work out the way he imagined it.
It doesn’t matter how many times he is wrong about AI, he will keep assuming that if he just adds it to every new idea it will magically work out the way he imagined it.
It doesn’t matter how many times he is wrong about AI, he will keep assuming that if he just adds it to every new idea it will magically work out the way he imagined it.
To be fair, I think he has a lot of company in this.
The world’s first chatbot that does nothing but bitch about Democrats and government regulation.
The world’s first chatbot that does nothing but bitch about Democrats and government regulation.
If I was a talk host on AM radio I’d be really worried about my job right about now.
bitch about government regulation.
bitch about government regulation.
Seriously? Who doesn’t?!
I was getting worried about Musk’s lurch to the right, so watched this “podcast” Elon did with Babylon Bee, a conservative satirical website.
Hes starts off bitching about Democrats and regulation, and his hosts escalate, saying government should stay out of the way and do as little as possible.
So of course Elon now has to educate them! He explains to his conservative hosts the importance of regulation, taxation and the public sector. He was clearly the “liberal” in a room of conser
Do we need to automate that though? Seems that Twitter has many volunteer humans to create more of that content than anyone would ever need…
Trump lost the election. Time to accept it and move on, bro.
So instead we should vote for $CANDIDATE_WHO_CANNOT_WIN, siphoning off votes from a guy that can and has won, decreasing his tally against a guy who can and has won that we absolutely cannot abide because $REASONS.
A third party vote in 2024 is essentially a vote for the guy you can’t stand. I wish it wasn’t the case, but it really is. Personally I’d rather the Democrats convince Grandpa Joe that he did good work the last 4 years, but you’re OLD AS FUCK and it’s time to run someone from a generation that w
As if humanity did not already have an abundance of natura ones. I do expect this is on the level of “autopilot” though, i.e. Musk, like usual, fakes it to feed his oversized ego.
He actively tried to get legislative action against his competitiors. It seems he only spoke out against AI to buy time to produce his competing AI system.
No, really? And here I was, thinking that he did it because of his concern for humanity.
…yet you seem to be failing to mention the *ABUNDANT* legal resources from both private and government angles which (somehow) only started after he bought twitter.
Funny. I’m sure it’s not that you’re tendentious AF, I expect you just forgot to mention it.
*sorry, “resources that attacked Musk”
The real evil here is him plugging his $16/mo subscription for X. The paywallification of the web represents a far more dystopian future than the release of yet another novelty chatbot.
The real evil here is him plugging his $16/mo subscription for X.
The real evil here is him plugging his $16/mo subscription for X.
No surprise there. Twitter is $13B in debt, due to the ridiculous valuation for Musk’s takeover. So they are under a lot of pressure to increase revenue.
But they also need growth, so expect premium subscribers to get a first taste, but mass roll-out as soon as they can scale it up.
Probably the most fucked up part is, like with auto-pilot, he is asking you to pay now for features he is not currently providing.
He actively tried to get legislative action against his competitiors. It seems he only spoke out against AI to buy time to produce his competing AI system.
He actively tried to get legislative action against his competitiors. It seems he only spoke out against AI to buy time to produce his competing AI system.
Ah yes, but this one is different, he removed all the safeties!
He actively tried to get legislative action against his competitiors. It seems he only spoke out against AI to buy time to produce his competing AI system.
He actively tried to get legislative action against his competitiors. It seems he only spoke out against AI to buy time to produce his competing AI system.
Every single one of the major players in AI are lining up trying to get the world governments to crack down on AI research. All of them. Because they want regulatory capture to be up-front and strong so that they can play in this new playground by themselves. It is evil, for certain, but we dismiss all sorts of evil shit in the name of profit. So long as somebody makes money from it? Full steam ahead and damn the consequences!
It’s still useless. It has no practical uses since it’s tied to Twitter.
It’s still useless. It has no practical uses since it’s tied to Twitter.
It’s still useless. It has no practical uses since it’s tied to Twitter.
On the bright side? No possibility for spontaneous self-awareness if it’s main data-source is a place utterly devoid of self-awareness. Musk has created the artificial anti-intelligence! It makes everyone interacting with it feel just a little bit dumber for having done so. AND, he’s getting them to pay for the privilege! SUCH INNOVATE! GREAT AMAZE! WOW!
Genocide = useless.
Grok also has access to data from X, which xAI
Grok also has access to data from X, which xAI
So you’ve got: SpaceX, xAI, X
I mean, you’ve publicly picked a theme using random “[Xx]’s”, stick with it man.
He didn’t name Tesla, and Boring Company started entirely as a joke. The guy literally named his kid X. Yes he uses X *all the time*. I can only assume he came up with Neuralink while high on weed after a certain infamous podcast, and then when his brain went back to “normal” reverted to using X everywhere.
…Like he has announced a lot of things, that then took much much longer than he said, or never happened at all
He has a history of this, and since it’s the very few Twitter staff left that will be writing it
Sounds about right.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2205.103… [arxiv.org]
From Chatgpt:
The word “grok” was popularized by the science fiction novel “Stranger in a Strange Land” written by Robert A. Heinlein and published in 1961. In the novel, “grok” is a Martian word that is used to describe a deep and intuitive understanding of something or someone. It goes beyond mere comprehension and implies a profound and empathetic connection.
An interesting site, from long ago.
The wayback machine has copies.
http://www.groklaw.net/
Groklaw © Copyright 2003-2013 Pamela Jones.
If they were truly inspired by HGTTG, the bot should have been named Marvin, the paranoid android, with a brain the size of a planet.
The first ten million years were the worst. And the second ten million: they were the worst, too. The third ten million I didn’t enjoy at all. After that, I went into a bit of a decline.
The first ten million years were the worst. And the second ten million: they were the worst, too. The third ten million I didn’t enjoy at all. After that, I went into a bit of a decline.
Marvin may be my favorite character in any fiction ever. Dude had it figured out from the start, then got forced to live forever and ever. The torture is so exquisitely beautiful.
Lets see how fast it goes full fash.
Handily appropriatig the word ‘grok’ – I betcha he is trying to put rights on that word real soon now.
I’ve been bitten more than once by people missing the sarcastic note in my voice in an email.
An AI chatbot that’s sarcastic – sounds a bit like some of those public utility “help line” chatbots, whose only function is to stop you calling up:
chatbot: How can I help you?
me: I can’t sign in
chatbot: You need to reset your password
me: How do I reset my password
chatbot: Sign in, go to Account details, click on Reset password
A five second Google search identified at least one other AI product and company called Grok. It would be reasonable to expect that among them, there’s a registered trademark. Indeed, a few more seconds looking at the USPT trademark database reveals that there are a number of live claims on that term, with xAI’s being the most recent. Some of those live claims are most definitely AI-related.
It sure looks like someone didn’t do due diligence, or are expecting to bully their way to ownership.
How long until someone unleashes some Grok powered hate bots on Xitter?
Everyone keeps acting like the ChatGPT and others are so politically correct because of their owner’s political views.
I suspect the real reason is they don’t want 3rd parties to turn them into hate-bots.
Thats logical.
Only support one sided hate, so as not to be seen as hateful of the “Right thing” or the “proper narrative”.
Your “homepage” was flagged by Google as a deceptive site.
I don’t think Chatbots get mad, baby. Does that upset you?
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