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Elon Musk, Sam Altman, Mark Zuckerberg, Sundar Pichai and others discussed artificial intelligence with lawmakers, as tech companies strive to influence potential regulations.

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Elon Musk warned of civilizational risks posed by artificial intelligence. Sundar Pichai of Google highlighted the technology’s potential to solve health and energy problems. And Mark Zuckerberg of Meta stressed the importance of open and transparent A.I. systems.
The tech titans held forth on Wednesday in a three-hour meeting with lawmakers in Washington about A.I. and future regulations. The gathering, known as the A.I. Insight Forum, was part of a crash course for Congress on the technology and organized by the Senate leader, Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York.
The meeting — also attended by Bill Gates, a founder of Microsoft; Sam Altman of OpenAI; Satya Nadella of Microsoft; and Jensen Huang of Nvidia — was a rare congregation of more than a dozen top tech executives in the same room. It amounted to one of the industry’s most proactive shows of force in the nation’s capital as companies race to be at the forefront of A.I. and to be seen to influence its direction.
“We all share the same incentives of getting this right,” Mr. Altman said after the meeting, which was held in the Senate building’s Kennedy Caucus Room.
Mr. Pichai called the event “productive,” and he stressed the need for the government to balance the “innovation side and building the right safeguards.”
The gathering, which also included labor union leaders and representatives from outside government and business, punctuated a year of rapid developments in A.I. Ever since ChatGPT, the A.I.-powered chatbot, exploded in popularity last year, lawmakers and regulators have grappled with how the technology might alter jobs, spread disinformation and potentially develop its own kind of intelligence.
While Europe has been in the throes of drafting laws to regulate A.I., the United States has lagged. But the frenzy has prompted the White House, Congress and regulatory agencies to start responding in recent months with A.I. safeguards and other measures.
The White House is expected to release an executive order on A.I. this year and has held multiple meetings with tech executives. This week, it announced that a total of 15 companies had agreed to voluntary safety and security standards for their A.I. tools, including third-party security testing.
On Tuesday, a Senate Judiciary subcommittee held a hearing on A.I. legislation with Microsoft’s president and Nvidia’s chief scientist. And last week, Senators Richard Blumenthal, Democrat of Connecticut, and Josh Hawley, Republican of Missouri, announced a framework for A.I. legislation that calls for an independent office to oversee A.I., as well as licensing requirements and safety standards for the technology.
“This is the most difficult issue that Congress is facing because A.I. is so complex and technical,” Mr. Schumer said in an interview.
On Wednesday, Mr. Schumer invited 22 guests, who appeared before dozens of lawmakers in the Kennedy Caucus Room, where hearings on the sinking of the Titanic, the bombing of Pearl Harbor and the Watergate scandal unfolded.
At a crescent-shaped table extending nearly the length of the room, Mr. Schumer was flanked by Senators Mike Rounds of South Dakota and Todd Young of Indiana, both Republicans. Mr. Huang of Nvidia was seated next to Mr. Nadella of Microsoft. Alex Karp, the chief executive of Palantir, was next to Mr. Musk, who gave the media a thumbs up and held his hands up in a heart sign.
In the closed-door session, the tech chiefs delivered opening statements and joined a discussion moderated by Mr. Schumer. He has acknowledged a tech-knowledge deficit within Congress and had said he would lean on Silicon Valley leaders, academics and public interest groups to teach members about the technology.
It was unclear if any concrete proposals would result from the meeting, the first of a series of such gatherings. But the tech executives took the opportunity to push for their agendas.
Mr. Karp of Palantir said he was able to deliver his message that the government should support A.I. in the defense sector, which includes his company’s main customers. “There was striking unanimity that America be the leader on A.I.,” he said in an interview.
Most of the executives agreed on the need for regulating A.I., which has been under scrutiny for its transformative and risky effects.
But there was still disagreement, attendees said. Mr. Zuckerberg highlighted open-source research and development of A.I., which means that the source code of the underlying A.I. systems are available to the public.
“Open source democratizes access to these tools, and that helps level the playing field and foster innovation for people and businesses,” he said.
Others, like Jack Clark of the A.I. start-up Anthropic and Mr. Gates, raised concerns that open-source A.I. could lead to security risks, attendees said. Anthropic, Google and OpenAI have said open source can allow outsiders to get past safety guardrails and spread misinformation and other toxic material.
Mr. Musk, who has called for a moratorium on the development of some A.I. systems even as he has pushed forward with his own A.I. initiatives, was among the most vocal about the risks. He painted an existential crisis posed by the technology.
“If someone takes us out as a civilization, all bets are off,” he said, according to a person who was in the room. Mr. Musk said he had told the Chinese authorities, “If you have exceptionally smart A.I., the Communist Party will no longer be in charge of China.”
Deborah Raji, a researcher at the University of California, Berkeley, responded to Mr. Musk by questioning the safety of driverless cars, which are powered by A.I., according to a person who was in the room. She specifically noted the autopilot technology of Tesla, the electric carmaker, which Mr. Musk leads and which has been under scrutiny after the deaths of some drivers.
Mr. Musk didn’t respond, according to a person who was in the room.
Some lawmakers criticized the closed-door forums.
“I do not understand why the press has been barred from this meeting,” Senator Elizabeth Warren, Democrat of Massachusetts, said after leaving the meeting. “What most of the people have said is, ‘We want innovation, but we have got to protect safety.’”
Mr. Hawley said lawmakers had given the tech companies too much attention.
“This is the biggest gathering of monopolists since the Gilded Age, and I’m disappointed it isn’t happening in public and not in a real hearing,” he said.
Mr. Schumer said future meetings were likely to be public and noted that he had asked several critics of the tech companies from labor unions and civil society groups to attend. The first meeting was closed to encourage debate that was “unvarnished,” and so no one would “play to the press,” he said.
Karoun Demirjian contributed reporting.
Cecilia Kang covers technology and regulation and joined The Times in 2015. She is a co-author, along with Sheera Frenkel of The Times, of “An Ugly Truth: Inside Facebook’s Battle for Domination.” More about Cecilia Kang